Charly and Les are passionate about helping others live happy and fulfilling lives in fun and creative ways.



Charly is a recent graduate of University of Southern California’s Marshall School of Business where he focused on bringing innovative and meaningful products to market. Prior to writing Very Engaging and going to business school, Charly worked in commercial real estate finance in Los Angeles, CA. Charly lives in Santa Monica with his wonderful wife, Carley, who has been patient enough to play through many iterations of the book over the past year. A native of Park City, UT, Charly received his BA from Dartmouth College in 2009.



Les currently works for a national bank as a private banker. Prior to his current role, Les and Charly worked together in the same commercial real estate office in Los Angeles, CA. Les lives in Los Angeles with his supportive wife, Ashley, who has been generous enough to lend out her husband for many late nights writing the book with Charly. A native of Reston, VA, Les received his BA from University of Southern California in 2009.

Charly and Les have been working on writing Very Engaging since early 2016. While the inception of the book derives from Les and Charly’s personal relationship experiences, the contents of the book have been developed and honed after countless interviews and reviews with several marriage and family therapists and interviews with dozens of dating, engaged, and recently married couples from around the country. Many of those couples' stories of challenging conversations, funny quirks, and romantic moments have greatly influenced the overall structure and narrative of the book.